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Grand
Canyon Forests Partnership
Partnership Advisory Board
Meeting Minutes
12 February 2002
1.
Introductions
Brad
Ack Grand
Canyon Trust
Megan Van Horne Grand Canyon Forests Foundation
Brian Cottam Grand
Canyon Forests Foundation
Jim Wheeler Flagstaff
Fire Department
Michael Macauley Natural Resource
Conservation District/Cattle Growers
Doc Smith NAU-ERI
Don Bertolette Society
of American Foresters
Mike Wagner Centennial
Forest/School of Forestry
Peter Frederici NAU-ERI
Heather Green USFS
Ed Smith The
Nature Conservancy
Taylor McKinnon Grand
Canyon Trust
John Aber Coconino
County Community Development
Kent Bushman APS
Kevin Boness
Arizona State Land Department
Paul Summerfelt Flagstaff
Fire Department
Dirch Foreman Highlands
Fire Department
2.
Approval of December Meeting Minutes
Motion
- Doc Smith
2nd - Mike Macauley
January PAB meeting minutes approved [Top]
3.
Updates
Fort
Valley Ecosystem Restoration Project
Brian reported that James Perkins continues to thin
in Fort Valley. Unit 15 was completed in January,
so the unit is closed and James has been paid. Unit
14 is near completion. James estimates he will be
done in the next week.
Doc inquired about the trees on ground by Chimney
Springs Meadow.
Brian responded that they came from the next unit
James is starting on. It is a Phase 1 unit (24), and
that's where he'll go when Unit 14 is complete. He's
been moving around a little over the past few months
due to weather and trying to prepare for Goshawk restrictions
in Unit 24. These restrictions go from March 1 to
Sept 30.
Jim W asked if the logs are to be taken out prior
to fire season.
Brian assumes so.
Jim W also asked how many total acres have been treated
in Fort Valley.
Brian noted that this figure is available, but did
not know off the top of his head.
Jim W asked to have an acreage treated update from
now on.
Mike W inquired on the cost per acre.
Brian recalled $200/ac for those units conveyed to
the GCFFoundation (Units 14-16), and a bit higher
for the rest of Phase One.
Heather wondered if that figure includes slash treatment
Brian said it just covered the operator's piling,
and the FS is responsible for burning. [Top]
Kachina
Village Forest Health Project
Heather reported that the IDTeam is working on finishing
the DEIS.
Brad informed PAB that the PAB will receive a presentation
from the FS before DEIS goes out to the public.
Taylor asked if the Region (R3 attorneys) is going
to review the DEIS before it goes out.
Heather didn't know.
Brad explained that Taylor's question was probably
prompted by what happened with Fort Valley when the
region reviewed the DEIS before it was released.
Heather stated that it is not standard operating procedure
and she didn't think it would happen that way again.
She will look into this and provide an answer.
Airport
Project-nothing new to report; same as last month
PIT-the
PIT has not met since last PAB meeting; therefore,
there is nothing new to report
Brian noted that the PIT has not met since last PAB
meeting. They will meet tomorrow to finalize the current
draft of the "communications blueprint"
they have been creating. Brian will forward this,
along with the PIT meeting minutes, to the PAB when
complete.
Brian also reminded the PAB about the Radio Fire Tabloid
that Bonnie Holmes has been working on that and he'll
keep PAB informed on progress. The PIT meeting minutes
will contain an update. [Top]
MMT
Brian announced that the MMT will meet for the 3rd
time today and keep things moving quickly on the monitoring
plan as they are hoping to get work done this field
season.
They hope to finalize the Plan in the next 3 meetings/months.
Brian will forward it to PAB as it develops.
Other
Brad brought up the President's proposed 2003 budget
and that funding for particular components of the
Rocky Mountain Research Station's research is not
proposed to continue. Brad stated that lobbying efforts
are in order.
Mike W agreed that political support is helpful, but
there's no need to be alarmists. These types of deletions
are often included in the initial drafts and funding
is often restored during the negotiations process.
Brad also noted that Senator Kyl will be in town this
week and urged the PAB to attend the dinner and speak
with him.
Brad gave some background on the Biomass Feasibility
study. He then briefed the PAB on the problem finding
the right site for the study. There were 3 preliminary
sites, but only one, Camp Navajo, is in the pine belt,
the other 2 are too far away from the resource to
be economically feasible. The problem with Camp Navajo
is that it is politically and organizationally complex.
Brad invited interested PAB members to a meeting today
at Camp Navajo with a General from Phoenix who can
further detail the decision process for Camp Navajo
and if the project is actually feasible there.
Brad is now looking into Bellemont and private property
as a possible site for the study.
Mike M noted that another project has lowered the
water table there and hasn't recovered as expected,
and was concerned about the impact of this project.
Mike W reminded PAB that NAU was considered, but couldn't
follow through due to air quality and emissions issues.
PAB discussed what would happen with the power.
APS could buy power at the rate of the cheapest alternative.
Brad stated that the base needs energy, so some of
it could be used there.
It won't be sold at cost of nuclear, it will be compared
to other renewable sources.
Doc reminded that cogeneration is an alternative (utilizing
both power and steam).
Brad said that it would be difficult to have the site
in town.
Doc thought that the airport business development
might be a possibility with recycled water.
Jim W said that zoning might not allow it.
John A asked if the water supply could come from Camp
Navajo but put the plant on private land.
A few informed that it was the same water source in
the Bellemont area.[Top]
4.
Action Items
Annual
Retreat Work Groups' Reports to PAB:
Restoration/Fire
Risk Reduction Work Group
Brian handed out a document of the work group conclusions
and recommendations.
He explained that the work group recommends the GCFP
continue to plan as has been done in the past. The
principal reason is the FS is already doing comprehensive
planning, encompassing both fire risk reduction and
the many elements of restoration. The work group agreed
that we simply need to work out the kinks and continue
as we have with a better understanding of the planning
process.
The follow-up recommendations were to hold a meeting
about level of detail allowed from PAB to ID team,
to finalize guidelines for project planning and to
use adaptive management.
Doc highlighted the word 'satisfied' and explained
the goal is to increase the level of satisfaction
by GCFP participants even though 100% satisfaction
might not be reached by everyone.
Taylor pointed out the importance of using adaptive
mgt.
Brad noted that he was the one who put it on the table
to "split things up," but is happy about
the outcome to keep things together and on track,
as envisioned within the Cooperative Agreement.
Brad asked for a formal endorsement from the PAB.
[Top]
Jim commented that this is the second visioning where
this issue has arisen. It is a key point. He is satisfied
with the outcome of the work group, but thinks this
is a peripheral approach to the overall issue (of
fuels reduction and restoration). He believes the
key to keep this from arising again is for the proponents
for each of these issues to respect the other's needs.
Realize that we've completed two fuels reductions
projects-Elden & Arboretum. These two types of
projects are complimentary to each other and this
should be the approach of the GCFP. If we have a periodic
reminder, we should be able to move forward as a whole.
Mike W asked about the NAU researcher missing component,
as listed in the work group's recommendations document.
Brian explained that NAU researcher participation
occurred in Ft Valley but not so much in Kachina.
Tammy Randall-Parker expressed that this type of expertise
was helpful in Ft Valley planning. She liked and welcomed
the expertise even if there wasn't a research component
as is found throughout Ft Valley.
Deb pointed out that she has been working with Tammy
on Kachina.
Mike M motioned to approve the working group's recommendations,
but there was further discussion.
Brad asked if we need further definition of these
terms-restoration and fuels reduction?
Doc felt that they are taken care on a site-specific
basis.
Heather wondered what does "on the shelf"
mean, as noted in the document? Brian noted that it
was a suggestion from Gene Waldrip that planning should
continue to occur even if implementation sometimes
can't keep up, if only due to a lack of markets for
the logs being removed. It is better to continue planning
as envisioned and get these projects "on the
shelf" for when markets do develop.
Brad suggested our coop agreement could be revised
to reflect this point. Having planning follow directly
after the previous implementation, or vice versa,
may not be realistic.
Mike M disagrees, and thinks we are making changes
as we go, even though we are doing planning and implementation
at the same time. It is not segregated and fixed.
Heather said that her impression was that we are doing
a good job with the timing and sequence.
Jim W referred to the document and said that the bold
recommendation comment was too general, it doesn't
speak to the issue. He suggested adding to the motion
the follow-up suggestions listed by the work group
as quantifiable objectives for the GCFP.
There was some confusion on what was being approved
by the motion.
Jim W proposed an amendment that was more objective
oriented.
Brad suggested endorsing the entire recommendation
document as presented with Jim's additional comment
of respect being shown between camps within the GCFP.
This sentence will be added to the document and forwarded
to the GCFP (PAB and FS).
PAB agreed. [Top]
Restructure
Work Group
Jim Wheeler, as the spokesman for working group, handed
out a Foundation budget (FY 2002) reflecting independence
along with other supporting documents.
He explained that the work group met numerous times
and met with the current foundation board to get approval
for this recommendation.
In the work group they asked the question, "Is
the next step in GCFF evolution to gain independence?"
One change they recommended was a new name for GCFF
because it communicates something other than what
is desired. Greater Flagstaff Forests Foundation was
suggested.
Some reasons supporting independence is that independence
is economically viable. An independent foundation
would be more attractive for funders.
Mike W asked about core support, how are funds divided
and how have the funders demonstrated their commitment?
Jim said there is no guarantee for financial sustainability.
Brad pointed out that the current budget is known,
and that funding is secure through 2003.
Tom asked if the Bush proposed budget would have an
effect.
Brad said that the fire plan $$ continued. [Top]
Jim spoke more specifically on city and county - they
have the most to lose.
He also noted that someone else (e.g., from the Foundation)
asking for money from these entities is better than
the inside guy requesting. Jim would like to see the
city and county support increased funding.
Don inquired about the name change and wondered if
it would have any effect on the Grand Canyon Trust.
Dirch was concerned about having "Flagstaff"
in the name and the ramifications for those being
outside city limits.
Jim proposed the common sense definition of "Greater
Flagstaff" referencing the 180,000-acre Partnership
project area.
Deb suggested having the PIT team come up with some
options.
Jim reminded PAB that this task is aimed at the foundation
board.
Mike W asked about financial sustainability and if
there has been any discussion about expanding funding
base besides public subsidies. This is something the
board has to consider.
Taylor asked who was on this work group and to hear
from them and Brian.
The working group was Jim Wheeler, Kent Bushman, Doc
Smith and Nancy Morin and Bob Arambula.
Kent feels that this is the next step that has to
be made.
Doc spoke about economics, money is available right
now.
The strength of the board would increase, be more
participatory.
Brian asks that whatever decisions are made about
independence, the Partnership and Foundation must
be open, honest and transparent in what we do; the
Partnership must do what we say we are going to do
and independence should allow for this.
Deb also supports this, but thinks we need to define
the expectations for the foundation board, make a
clear-cut plan for sustainability. [Top]
Jim suggested that instead of having 19 members attempt
to resolve this, to have the new foundation board
address these issues (of economics).
Tom asked what we might be losing as we become more
distant from the Trust. What is the $11,000 line item?
Brad charges time on fundraising and other time related
to partnership.
Tom verbalized that we would retain the information
linkages by having the Trust in the partnership. He
asked what would be Brian's time spent on fundraising
in the new structure.
Jim stated again that this would be decided by the
foundation board, this has been addressed in the working
group, but not resolved yet.
Mike W asked if anyone has talked about scaling up
the budget to cover the basic costs.
Jim addressed the key concern about money: there are
current monies already being spent to operate the
Foundation; these costs for independence are not additional
monies that we have to go find. It is simply a matter
of reallocating funds.
Brad pointed out that we are half way through the
budget year.
Doc said we can't have it both ways: independence
and leaning on the Trust.
There is no function proposed changed right now.
Tom asked what role ERI will play in the funding.
Doc said they would like to continue to provide funds
for this project.
Deb asked if we could get 5 people for the new board
that could work that hard.
Doc said he envisioned something like the Management
Team, they work hard and some of that work could be
handed up.
Deb asked for some clarification about NAU being represented
on the board.
It was explained that representation would come from
agencies who are members in good standing of the PAB.
Mike W asked what the costs are to set up a foundation.
[Top]
Jim said that it is already set up (legally).
The restructure team and GCFF board is asking for
endorsement of independence (eliminate GCT subsidiary
status), relocate the office, expand the board.
Tom said that who can sit on the board is critical.
Many members affirmed that they could serve on the
board.
There was some discussion about liability
Mike W motioned to move forward with this, presuming
that there is another step in the process.
2nd :Don B.
The motion was to approve and to follow the timeline
and framework document presented by Jim.
Brian noted that this does not lock us into the timeline,
but provides the approval to move forward accordingly,
and to contract with the listed contractors.
Don B asked for an organizational chart for how we
are and how we will be.
Jim said that organizational changes haven't been
recommended; this change just affects the foundation
board.
There is an organizational chart available on the
website.
PAB approved the motion to accept the timeline "Next
Steps for Independence" [Top]
2002
Annual Plan/FY 2002 Budget
A draft of the 2002 Annual Plan was discussed at the
last meeting and circulated for comments.
Rob Breen submitted the only PAB comment, aside from
the MT and staff's changes, over the course of the
past month. He asked about adding a provision for
a GCFP-dedicated work crew as was in the 2001 Annual
Plan. Because there is no dedicated money for this
project (as there was thought there might be last
year due to the Fire Plan monies), MT decided not
to add this.
All other changes from the previous draft-primarily
added detail to the objectives and activities from
that draft--are redlined in the document distributed
to the PAB.
Brad asked that if there were any outstanding issues,
but did not want to entertain line by line edits.
There were none.
Motion to accept 2002 Annual Plan as presented: Jim
W
2nd: Kent B
PAB approval unanimous [Top]
Guide
for Standardized Restoration Project Planning
This was supported by the PAB at the January meeting
with the stipulation that FS approves it.
Brian explained that over the course of the past month
three different meetings were held that got to the
key issues of GCFP project planning. The changes that
have occurred within the Planning Guidelines are in
the shaded boxes and 1) outline how PAB members communicate
with FS ID team. 2) This Guide will be used for Woody
Ridge and then we will revisit the Guide to see if
it should be adapted based on that experience (adaptive
management!). 3) Gene will manage the planning process
for Woody Ridge. If there is something that is not
outlined in the Guide, Gene will have the final say
on what is acceptable. 4) The preferred alternative
will come to the PAB before it goes to the public.
This is also to occur with Kachina Village. 4) Another
clarification was made to allow for sufficient time
for interactions before FS enters the NEPA process
and the IDTeam works apart from the GCFF & PAB
participants.
It was emphasized that this is not a disclosure document
that FS is responsible for. They are elements that
partnership would like to see incorporated into all
restoration project planning. The GCFF coordinator
and FS liaison are responsible for its completion.
Brad noted that we are committed to use this on Woody
Ridge, and that changes may be made to improve the
document.
Heather affirmed that FS input to this document is
complete and thought that this will be helpful in
Big Mountainaire.
Motion to accept document as presented: Jim W
2nd: Kent B
PAB approval unanimous [Top]
5.
Other Business
Brad
brought up the issue of chairing future PAB meetings
in light of the changes approved for the Foundation
and the Board of Directors. It has been suggested
that the new Board of Directors will designate a PAB
meeting chair from the directors. This position will
then be on a rotating basis at an interval determined
by the board.
For the next couple of meetings, until independence
is finalized and a new Board of Directors is established,
Brad will continue to chair the PAB meetings. [Top]
6.
Adjourn
Next
Meeting - 12 March 2002
City Hall
upstairs conference room
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