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Greater Flagstaff Forests Partnership
Partnership Advisory Board
meeting minutes
Flagstaff City Hall
(downstairs conference room)
11 June 2002
1.
Introductions
Brian
Cottam - GFFP
Jackie Marlette - GFFP
Emily Lethenstrom - NAU
Jim Wheeler - GFFP Board of Directors
Cathy Hemenway - NAU
Tammy Randall-Parker - USFS
Charlie Denton - NAU/ERI
Brad Ack - Grand Canyon Trust
Taylor McKinnon - Grand Canyon Trust
Kevin Boness - State Land Department
Tom Kolb - GFFP Board of Directors
Paul Summerfelt - City of Flagstaff
Carl Edminster - FS-Rocky Mountain Research Station
Debbie Kill - USFS
John Aber - Coconino County Community Development
Mike Macauley - NRCD/ Cattle Growers
JJ Smith - NAU School of Forestry
Don Bertolette - SAF
Mark Shiery - Flagstaff Fire Department
Ken Frederick - USFS
Shaula Hedwall - USFWS
Deb Larson - NAU- CET
Brett KenCairn - Indigenous Community Enterprises
2.
Approval of May Meeting Minutes
Motion - Mike Macauley
Second - John Aber
Approved by unanimity
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3.
Action Items:Kachina Village Project outreach strategy(including
PIT and MT recommendations)
Brian
introduced this item from last month's meeting. The
PIT (Public Information/Involvement Team) has met
and come up with recommendations to give to the PAB.
Over the course of last month, prior to and after
the PIT meeting, some input was provided by the MT
(Management Team). Brian handed out minutes from those
past three meetings (MT, PIT, MT). The MT agreed with
the PIT recommendations.
Ken gave an overview of the FS (Forest Service) public
outreach strategy for the KV DEIS (draft Environmental
Impact Statement). He said that the outreach strategy
is still a work in progress. Forest health restoration,
fuel reduction, and wildlife habitat are some of the
main goals that the FS has with this project. The
FS also wants to explain why they desire to cut larger
trees. For this explanation and public outreach, the
FS wants to have field tours, open houses, website
information, and briefings to various groups. Ken
had thought about having a virtual open house where
the public can call in to a group of people during
a given time frame to discuss or ask questions about
the DEIS. [Top]
Brad asked what the FS would say when the public asks
why the FS didn't take the GFFP recommendation to
have a cap. Ken responded by saying that the FS is
not out there to ruin the forest and wants the public
to know the difference between cutting a yellow pine
and a larger black jack. Ken wants to have a pie chart
showing the distribution of large trees because there
is not a significant amount of them. There is also
not a significant amount of large trees that would
be cut. Ken stated that there is a value to cut the
large trees, not for financial reasons but for social
& ecological aspects. The intent is not to have
large-scale commercial logging- the intent is for
thinning, habitat restoration, and other ecological
reasons. John Aber commented that the distinction
between a 16" yellow pine and a 16" black jack is
an important item to emphasize. This is a supportable
piece of evidence to cut for ecological reasons. Kevin
says we should be careful about labeling "commercial
logging" as a negative action because we need commercial
logging to cut the demonstration plots and it is a
tool to achieve our objectives. Ken clarified that
statement and said he meant that the need to cut larger
trees is not profit driven.
Paul raised another concern- that this is not an ecological
issue as much as it is a social issue. He thinks that
the FS is going to incur added scrutiny and criticism
because they are cutting large trees. It will not
matter to those people that raise that problem what
type of tree is cut (yellow pine versus black jack).
Paul said that because it is such a small fraction
of trees that will be cut- is it worth it? Tammy said
that thinking back about 5-7 years ago the public
was not supportive of prescribed fire or thinning
for fuel reduction efforts. It has taken the FS awhile
to gain public support and this issue is similar.
There are ecological and habitat improvement reasons
to remove the larger trees. What they are proposing
at this time is to only remove those trees that aid
in those ecological and habitat reasons. She suggested
that we work with the public to gain their support
so that if the media makes a statement about the FS
cutting large trees (in a negative tone) the public
understands why those trees are really being cut.
She has confidence that we can work through this issue.
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Brad commented back to Paul's statement about what
the GFFP will say about the FS having a preferred
alternative different than the PAB's recommendations.
He agrees with the PIT recommendations about leading
with our similarities with the FS project, however
unless we change our cap recommendation we should
not state that we support their preferred alternative.
This may be a trial balloon about where the politics
stand. Brad continued to state that there is still
time to change the FS opinion. Jim said we must remember
that our recommendation came out May 2001 and the
FS recommendation came out in May 2002. Jim reiterated
our recommendation from May 2001. Taylor wants to
revisit our recommendation, specifically about the
FS having reasons to cut larger trees, whatever the
reason. Our recommendation doesn't raise the issue
of whether the trees could be cut- it was whether
they could be sold. Jim read the actual language from
our recommendation from May 2001. Jim suggested that
we should state that we mostly agree with the FS and
have the PIT develop the language to phrase our differences.
Mike wants to have a healthy discussion on adaptive
management and about the FS discretion to cut large
trees. Tom believes we should stick to our original
language, which had unanimity, because any deviation
from that may not reach unanimity now.
Brad believes that we should give Brian and anyone
else who will be speaking to the press clear direction
as what to do. Brian said that if we agree with the
PIT recommendations he could reconvene the PIT to
determine the actual wording. Jim doesn't know if
we all agree with the exact wording of the PIT recommendations
presented today. He recommended saying that the glass
is mostly full and that there is only one disagreement
(the cap). Tom said that this disagreement should
be viewed as positive component because it is healthy
to discuss & comment. Mike said that the word
"disagreement" is a bit negative for outreach purposes.
Brad wants an additional message to be given to the
press relating to the role of engaging the broader
public in the comment period. He wants to emphasize
that this is a draft and at every opportunity we should
encourage the public to give feedback to the FS about
this. Paul said that we could use this as a learning
experience for us and the Partnership's Project Planning
Guidelines. [Top]
Brian said that the PIT had discussed making 3 x 5
cards (similar to the Fire Information Cards) for
KV. Jim suggested having the PIT come up with messages
to say to the public and bring them back to the PAB.
Debbie Kill said that the DEIS has been given to the
printer and needs to be given to the registrar to
come out in time (at the end of June- before the next
PAB meeting). Jim said the process should continue
and we should let the PIT make messages. Brad suggested
that the messages that will be made from the PIT can
be distributed to the PAB and if the PAB has any problems
with it we can revisit it in July. Tammy asked if
the PIT would come up with a response to the 16" cap
that the PAB can see? (YES) She said that we should
remember the divisions within the GFFP and how the
media portrayed them on previous Ft Valley issues
(e.g. road closure). Tammy said that we haven't had
discussions about agreeing on science, biological,
and ecological issues and if she was asked about that
topic she will say that the GFFP hasn't had that discussion
yet. Jim said that we should emphasize the positive
and that there is only one little area of discussion.
We can also say that we support the project but there
is one area in the preferred alternative that we do
not support.
Mike commented that we should put on the agenda the
discussion of the science of the cap. Brad thought
that we had agreed that this is a social and political
issue- not an issue of the science behind it. Jim
suggested that if there are partners that have discrepancies
about the science they should discuss it with Tammy.
Paul reaffirmed that it is a social and political
issue. Tammy said that they are cutting the trees
for science and ecological reasons.
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4.
Updates
Kachina
Village Project DEIS
Tammy said that the DEIS will be released by the end
of June and it will be followed by a 45 day comment
period. Brian said that we have previously participated
in the FS public meetings. Brad thought that it would
be positive to still participate and to have our own
meeting on KV. Jim agrees with Brad and said that
the meeting would be an opportunity to show the positive
aspects of our work. We can tell the public about
our accomplishments. Paul was wondering what time
frame we should have our meeting- mid to late July?
Jim and Brad asked Brian to have the PIT form a timeline
of when to have the meeting. Jim clarified that the
GFFP staff and PAB members are allowed/encouraged
to participate in the public outreach for the DEIS.
Fort
Valley Ecosystem Restoration Project
Brian said that there was a blend prescription tour
yesterday, June 10. There will be another tour this
coming Friday, June 14 at 12:30 pm. Meet at the Grand
Canyon Trust office. The intent of this tour is to
decide on the specific prescription and location of
the blend project. There are 200 acres to do this
blend. Unit 13 (a different blend) already has on
the ground work with a prescription that is a mixture
of ERI and SWFA recommendations. This other "premium"
blend prescription and location is yet to be determined.
Brad said that the blend was originally broken into
2 parts to accommodate the different recommendations.
Brian was asked to write a letter informing the involved
blend groups-particularly the SWFA--that we are deciding
on the next blend prescription. The purpose of this
letter is to include them in the decision and to see
if they want to be involved. Brad suggested that the
letter could come from the Board of Directors and
they could draft it. Brian will deliver this letter
ASAP as the prescription will soon be finalized and
the site selected. [Top]
Blend
Block Field Tour
It is this Friday, June 14, 2002. Meet at the Grand
Canyon Trust office at 12:30 pm. The intent is to
finalize the location for the final blend block and
to come to agreement on the blend prescription.
Woody
Mountain Field Tour
This is on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 from 9:00 am- 3:00
pm. Meet at the Mormon Lake Ranger Station at 9:00
am, it is an all day tour. Tammy asked if NAU or anyone
else has a van available for transport. JJ said he
would check for a van once we have a count of people
that are going.
Biomass
Energy Feasibility Study
Brian said this is coming along but is not fully complete.
TSS Consultants has asked for a 60-day extension to
complete the supply assessment (to get the necessary
supply data from the FS). Many of the key FS contacts
for this data are gone fighting fires. Brian has asked
Tom K. (President of the GFFP, Inc. and has contract
authority) for approval allowing the extension. The
PAB does not object to this extension. [Top]
Mater
Report
The final draft is here- Brian has it in the mail
and will distribute it to people. Brad said that the
basic conclusion is that there is no market or technology
obstacle to process small diameter wood. The obstacle
is that there is no infrastructure in the Southwest
to do this processing. This is because of investors'
uncertainty of supply. Brad said to get this accomplished
there needs to be a consortium to get the supply going
over the three federally managed forests on the Mogollon
Rim. To demonstrate to investors that there is a stable
and steady wood supply there must be a clear structure
for coordinating the supply. Mater already has investors
that are interested in this process but they are only
going to stay interested with the coordinated, stable
supply. Perhaps government support (e.g. loan guarantees
or a tax write off) would help.
Brad's recommendation to the corporate board is to
hire a full time staff person to work on this issue.
This person could work with the FS on this issue as
well. Mike mentioned a group called the Coordinated
Resource Management Team that exists with the federal
agencies in AZ and NM. Should we bring this to their
attention? Brad thinks they are a good group to bring
this up to. Mike has the contact information for that
group and will follow up on this. Brett hopes the
GFFP doesn't overlook the potential of existing, local
enterprises to work on this project. He does appreciate
all the work that the GFFP has done. Jim and Brad
want to make the job description for this new full
time employee soon so that someone can get hired.
The Board of Directors will develop the description.
Brad said that the contract with Mater is over after
this report and that there is no binding agreement
to stay with them. Mike said that the hired person
could look into local efforts. [Top]
Jim suggested a Partnership team be developed to address
these issues of utilization and business development.
Brad believes the team to do this will be larger than
the GFFP. Mike mentioned that the Cocopai RC&D
should be kept in mind. Jim asked if anyone here would
want to be on this team? Deb said yes. Mike suggested
having Cocopai being involved. Brian said that he
spends much of his time working on this issue. He
supports the formation of this new team. He says that
what is needed is direction for staff from the full
Partnership concerning these issues, and that he has
already convened a group from those across Northern
AZ interested in this topic (as outlined in the Annual
Plan). If we want to do this we should start the utilization
working group within the GFFP and the hired person
can also steer the larger regional group. Deb commented
on Brian's actions saying that we may have not been
understanding all the efforts that are going on and
perhaps it should be an agenda item. Deb will work
with Brian to form this team. Jim asked who wants
to be on the team. These individuals mentioned interest:
Brett, Mike, JJ, Brad, Dennis Becker (mentioned by
Carl E.).
Greater
Flagstaff Forests Partnership, Inc. (restructure)
Brian said that the office is completely
moved. The team and working group meetings will begin
to meet at the new office: Positive Impressions, 1300
S. Milton Road, Suite 218.
PAB
Charter
Jim said that the corporate board of directors began
discussing the Charter with the Restructure Committee.
Jim asked the PAB if anyone wants to convene to update
the PAB Charter. Paul and Taylor volunteered to serve
on this working group. The timeframe to alter the
Charter is open. Brad asked what reasons there are
to re-look at it. Jim answered that the needed alterations
are mainly editorial, structure of decision-making
process, and transitional changes. Brian said the
intent is to get the Charter updated and to be more
in line with what the PAB is actually doing. [Top]
Other
Brian brought up the discussion of the MT and the
Large Tree Policy (LTP). At the MT meeting last week
it came to a point where the Team could make no more
progress on the policy. A Team discussed dropping
the policy as various team members had drawn positions
and were unwilling to move from those positions in
order to find consensus. The Team suggested to instead
develop a process, guideline, or key questions to
ask to determine a cap recommendation for each project,
such as the Project Planning Guideline. Tammy questioned
would we ask if the cap is a "social issue" every
time? Brian said this would certainly be part of the
key questions to address, but also to ask key ecological
questions. Tammy asked if it would depend on each
project. Brian said that the MT hadn't really discussed
this yet- he had only asked the MT to talk with their
respective voting members to determine if it was even
possible to form guidelines for this topic. Jim wondered
if this could wait until after the DEIS for KV. Mike
said that we could build the questions out of the
comments from the DEIS. Jim asked Tammy when she would
expect a recommendation from the GFFP for Woody Ridge.
She answered by Sept. 30, 2002 she wants desired future
conditions input from the GFFP (not the proposed action).
This can be broad and general. Jim asked what should
we do about the Large Tree Policy. Brad said that
referring to KV, we should not say that the cap is
only a social and political issue. At some point we
should figure out how to deal with the science part
of this discussion. Brian said that the LTP started
out as a cap policy. The intention was to form a policy
so that the PAB did not have this discussion on each
project. The working group started with a cap policy
and then shifted to a LTP to stay away from a diameter
number. He said that the initial working group and
then the MT were working on the ecology angle but
now we are at a stand still with the MT. Tom said
that it is not helpful to distinguish science and
social because those items are linked and influence
one another. He suggested that we put the LTP on hold
and wait until we learn from the KV process. Don agreed
that we should work out the KV issues first. Jim confirmed
that the LTP would be dropped off the MT agenda.
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5.
Other Business
New
PAB members (3)
The three new PAB members are: Indigenous Community
Enterprises, Perkins Timber Harvesting, and the Ecological
Restoration Institute. We now have 21 formal Partnership
Advisory Board members. The restructure group can
readdress the quorum voting member requirements. Paul
said that he wants to have a list of the organizations,
voting member, and alternate voting member. This will
be included in the PAB member handbook that Jackie
is finalizing.
GFFP
Survey
Brian said that the GFFP is getting studied left and
right. He passed out a survey from Chris Lugenbill,
a graduate student in Colorado that has been studying
the GFFP, for those to fill out that haven't filled
out yet.
Another survey will be distributed next month from
another student.
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6.
Adjourn
Next
Meeting - 9 July 2002
City Hall
downstairs conference room
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